The man who defies the Spanish bipartisanship, quotes Salvador Allende, takes away from some left, challenges his opponents and even maintains that rivals Citizens “do not propose a change, but a replacement “.
by Ximena Marin Lezaeta / Madrid
Sixteen months after Pablo Iglesias presented the founding manifesto of Podemos, nobody in the Spain political world can ignore that party, emerged from the indignant of May 15, 2011, has become a phenomenon and somehow embodies the promise of political change in the country.
Yet In recent months there have been some clouds to churches and their supporters, as the recent resignation of Juan Carlos Monedero, number three in the party, who accused the leadership of being carried can too inward, and polls already They do not show it as the darling of the Spanish policy. Thus begins to erode their support. In fact, between January and May, the Left Party fell 7.4 points (from 23.9% to 16.5%), which moved from second to third place in the voting intentions of political parties .
However, after the success in the European elections last year, we must demonstrate its true weight in municipal and regional elections on Sunday 24 May and general elections in November.
In this interview with The Third , Churches gives an overview of the Spanish political situation, addresses the expectations and problems we as a party and talk about their views on a strategy for building a majority that produces the end of bipartisanship and political change in Spain.
What has been offered and rejected what?
The truth is, nothing. Many people listen to us and tell us they have recovered the illusion, that’s wonderful. We are becoming a key political player, but we’re not going to settle for being a subordinate force. We are here to be part of the political change that is necessary and it is appropriate to continue working on formulas and in empowering people.
Your bet is to take power?
No one can take power at the individual level. Allende told the more radical youth: “We have taken the government, but we have not taken power.” History is change peoples.
You said that going by the transverse vote, not just the left. What are you right
I have something in common with conservatives?. I like the heavy-handed, but not weak, but with the powerful
The British historian Arnold J. Toynbee said that the greatest punishment for those not interested in politics is to be governed by people who do care for her.
In fact, if you do politics, like the others do, and when you make others, you can steal rights, democracy and even the wallet.
From the presentation we, a year and a half ago, the party has not only played his cards on the political scene but he has also suffered strong shaking of his opponents. How to face the responsibility of raising the change in the party system and in the future political landscape of Spain?
Assuming the enormous difficulties that arise and with great prudence. What we have now-independent of what the polls say is a million and a half votes in European elections. It is true that expectations are opening, which polls show a trend that indicates that political change in Spain is possible and we are decisive in this process. I think that perspective is not only good news for our party, but also for the country, without forgetting that the most difficult come. We will face very strong opponents who oppose the changes, will be a difficult process. The challenge can be conquered by electoral means to achieve political power transformations. All this poses difficulties and complex scenarios. Similarly we can win, we can lose, so we need prudence, humility and continue working.
At what point we are we to transform the million and a half votes that you mention in a change project they require time and add more people?
We are in the time of policy, which involves providing intelligence to circumstances and contexts that you choose. We did not choose the stages that have the political course, are what they are, and from there it is essential that we play with the greatest intelligence not cease to be useful, to be a political instrument for change. We know that politics is to seek the best scenarios for confrontation, politics is causing the contradictions of the adversary, and so we also have to apply ourselves in a context that can be difficult and regrettable for us. That’s where we have to show that we are up to political circumstances. If we have accumulated enough collective intelligence, if we are to leave our constitutional process with a device capable of making political decisions for people, which are suitable for political change, or if instead our opponents are able to take us lands they will not favor us and, therefore, stop this experience of change.
We are on the threshold of the beginning of an election cycle now begins in May, which will continue with the broad end of the year, and You may also be early elections in Catalonia. Can we have already taken a specific position? How will contribute to the construction of new alternatives majority?
It is a very complex debate. We can for the crucial electoral scenario are general elections, which will mark the possibility of altering the political landscape in this country. We are aware of the importance of local and regional elections, but it is a very complex scenario in strategic terms. Our opponents will try to use more resources and the weight of his power to confront under the best possible conditions the general election we know that will be decisive. For us the goal is to change the regime in 1978 by a majority able to make this possible. The regime would be delighted that his biggest challenge was a left front. But that seems to us a mistake. Popular unity is essential above the unit stands. We must devise a strategy that will have to be flexible to remain relevant to our priority, which is the process of political change in this country. We can not be in the municipal elections, but our people promote and participate in nominations of popular unity. For us the candidacy of popular unity are not party coalitions, fronts sums of acronyms or left, but grassroots initiatives for change that take the open primary and methodology. In the case of the regional elections, we can be with its acronym.
Is it a priority to carry out the change in municipalities and autonomous or maturing strategic priority is to go with an alternative project in the general election?
There is no doubt that the two processes are related, that change is necessary to be given in all areas, but in politics sometimes you have to run. We live in a political moment we’re probably facing a historic opportunity to challenge the Spanish political system, mainly to bipartisanship from both political parties (PP, PSOE), with the eventual concurrence of nationalist forces conservative that are also part of the “caste” . I think that’s the goal and that strategies should be designed based on this fundamental goal. Hence we see what options may be given. I repeat that I respect and admire other political experiences that have occurred in other areas, but I must say that there are some sectors in the left you have to do a self-criticism of his ideas and political practices. It is undeniable that we phenomenon is the result of the failure of the traditional left, which has been unable to make a diagnosis of what happened in this country. When he divided politics in Spain in a field that established solely as poles, left and right, who held the division of the political field is right, because they know that as well carry everything to gain. But we understand that a change strategy that is much closer to our reality is due to support a social majority agrees that there must be social, that corruption is intolerable, that the privileges of the ruling economic class They are unsustainable, unfair and we are leading to disaster. Then, there is the possibility of the political construction of a social majority for change. Let us fall in love with the possibility that the left take revenge against many years of rightwing government is working for them, is not to understand that political change in this country requires analysis of what happened, what happened in the European elections, for why certain discourses and figures are able to mobilize popular enthusiasm, while others do not. When these reflections become a shared and act accordingly analysis, I think it will be much easier to understand the way in which the political transformation in this country is produced. Regime change is not a quantitative change, a qualitative change is that results take the pitch to another scenario that can win the ruling that take too long. That the PSOE has always known and feared no longer be alternative government until we have appeared. All political actors understand that the merit in the change of scenery has been opened after the European is not personal, nor is individual by we; They need to understand what are the key elements for that possibility, unprecedented in recent political history of our country that the opposition to the PP no longer the PSOE, but a political force to be raised radically different things that raises the PP, dispute the government. That has to be a series of changes in mentality and analysis, which ended not see that are occurring.
What can you tell me the party Citizens, Albert Rivera, who suddenly has jumped to the fore and which also speaks of change?
They do not really intend to change, theirs is only one spare.
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